Gurus and Contributors http://krishnatalk.com/categories/gurus-contributors/feed.rss Tue, 16 Jan 18 14:39:35 -0500 Gurus and Contributors en-CA Analysing Satguru and His preachings http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1906/analysing-satguru-and-his-preachings Tue, 19 Dec 2017 00:45:16 -0500 dattaswami1 1906@/discussions Analysing Satguru and His preachings
Satguru means God in human form preaching the right spiritual knowledge.


Q) Swami has told many a time on intensive logical analysis of any divine knowledge by him (Satguru) instead of blindly accepting it. But I read in some discourse which says- ‘you will need a torch (intelligence) until you find and follow the Satguru, after that the torch is not necessary which means you can blindly follow Satguru. This is something which looks confusing? Can you please clarify?

Swami replied: When you are travelling to a house, which is fully radiating with powerful lights, but, the path to it is full of darkness, you need a torchlight in the path only and not on reaching the house shinning with lights. The point here is that you have to search Satguru and after reaching Satguru, you need not analyse Him. It is just like to put on the torchlight on the way before reaching house and the torchlight should be put off after reaching the house with thousand lights. The logical analysis is required in searching the Satguru and not in examining the Satguru. Here, the word reaching Satguru means fixation of Satguru through analysis.

 Unless you analyse, you can’t fix Satguru. ‘You have fixed Satguru’ means that you have already examined Him, analysed Him and then only fixing Him as Satguru results. You should not take the sense of simile directly to the sense of concept. Reaching lighthouse resembles reaching Satguru. You have experienced the lights of house and reached it. Similarly, you must experience the light of spiritual knowledge of Satguru and then only reach (fix) Him. Without experiencing the light of house, it cannot be called as lighthouse. Similarly, without experiencing the truth of spiritual knowledge of the preacher, you can’t call Him as Satguru. Basis of confusion is that the word ‘reaching’ is applied to lighthouse and Satguru in common meaning. The word ‘reaching’ in the case of lighthouse doesn’t require any analysis to decide that it is light house since you can experience it instantaneously. In the case of Satguru, you can’t experience Him as Satguru instantaneously on just seeing Him like the lighthouse. Whenever a simile is given to a concept, the limitation of simile should be carefully noticed and you have to apply the simile to the concept within the boundaries of limitation of simile.

Face is compared to moon. The limited area of comparison is only pleasantness. You can’t take the total area of the simile to the concept like black spots on moon, growth and reduction of moon etc. The comparison of simile and concept must be limited here in the area that after reaching the lighthouse you need not put on the torchlight means that after analysing and fixing (reaching means both analysis and fixation in the concept) Satguru, you need not analyse Him continuously without end. At some stage, you should stop analysis and fix your faith on Him. If you doubt Satguru continuously till the last second of your life, you are the true doubting Thomas and the Gita says that such person is destroyed forever (Samshayaatmaa vinashyati).

During preaching of the Gita only, Arjuna experienced that Krishna is Satguru. He doubted Krishna by saying that it is impossible for Krishna to preach Sun in the beginning of creation. This shows that Arjuna has not fixed Krishna as Satguru so far. Satguru means God in human form preaching the right spiritual knowledge. If you have called somebody as Satguru, it means that you have accepted Him as God. After this, doubting Him is not correct. But, if you have doubt about such conclusion, you should continue to analyse His preaching. At the end of the Gita, Krishna advised Arjuna to analyse the Gita before he accepts it. Satguru always says this because He doesn’t fear for any analysis done about His preaching since it is sure that the preaching will pass through the fire test any number of times. Hence, from the point of Satguru there is no issue. From the point of the devotee only, it is advisable to develop faith after a long time at least avoiding doubting forever till the end of life.
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The total concept of God http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1892/the-total-concept-of-god Wed, 03 Oct 2012 12:15:06 -0400 dattaswami1 1892@/discussions God comes down to the world of human beings by entering a human body

Krishna gave two statements in the Gita. The first statement is that He is unimaginable because nobody can know Him (Maam tu veda na kashchana …). The second statement is that He entered a human body (manushim tanumaashritam …). These statements together give the total concept of God. God is beyond spatial dimensions and hence, He is beyond imagination. In order to preach the spiritual knowledge, to give the correct direction to the humanity, He comes down to the world of human beings by entering a human body (a particular deserving devotee existing at that point of time, also called as ‘Son of God’).

The human body means a human being. The inert material body associated with inert energy consisting of awareness with different feelings (jeeva) is the human body. Human body does not mean mere inert body containing inert matter and inert energy only. Such a body cannot be even a living body due to absence of life. If you say living body, it may mean the body of a bird or an animal also. Such living body cannot deliver the knowledge to the human beings.
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man bahut chanchal hai , dhyan(chanting) lagate time it doesn't be constant. http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1887/man-bahut-chanchal-hai-dhyanchanting-lagate-time-it-doesnt-be-constant.- Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:54:11 -0400 rajeshkumar 1887@/discussions
i am very new to this portal & i belong to Faridabad (Haryana) . it's grace of LORD KRISHNA that i got this portal to be more closer to My LORD SHRI KRISHNA.

I have started chanting just before 15 Days, i get up early in the morning and after taking bath i worship Lord Shri Krishna then i take my gomukhi and start chanting "Hare Krishna Hare Krishna- Krishna krishna hare hare , hare rama hare rama - rama rama hare hare. , but dhyan goes here and there, kindly suggest me the best way to worship Lord Shri Krishna.




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Free MP3 Voice Messages on Divine Knowledge http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1845/free-mp3-voice-messages-on-divine-knowledge Thu, 05 Mar 2009 03:07:45 -0500 sridatta1 1845@/discussions
Following links are the voice divine message of Shri Dattaswami, aimed at bringing world peace.

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http://www.esnips.com/doc/dfb5ec3a-c665-4a31-9fad-30b68867162b/Meaning-of-Satsanga

http://www.esnips.com/doc/28abe002-514c-46de-9f1f-0e524e13ce89/Whenever-you-do-the-work-of-God,-do-not-aspire-any-fruit-from-Him

http://www.esnips.com/doc/5b44f625-4b7a-42c9-9c54-066942835595/The-tradition-is-good-provided-its-actual-aim-gets-fulfilled

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http://www.esnips.com/doc/c1ef883e-ff55-4c5c-921d-92237dec4789/Soul-(Human-Incarnation)-who-is-charged-by-God-only-is-God

http://www.esnips.com/doc/92f79bdf-bec8-49e2-a8c5-5bebb71110f9/Neither-Soul-is-God-nor-world-is-imaginary-for-the-soul]]>
What is IRM? http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1044/what-is-irms Sat, 29 Oct 2005 02:53:45 -0400 kirtikadevidasi 1044@/discussions Kripalu maharaj and the Vaisnavic samparadaya http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/990/kripalu-maharaj-and-the-vaisnavic-samparadaya Sun, 09 Jan 2005 02:06:27 -0500 990@/discussions
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Dear devotees,

I have heard numerous times pravachans by the sannyasi preachers of Kriplau Maharaj and though I am a long-time follower of ISKCON, I must admit I was very impressed by their deep scriptural knowledge, sweet singing of bhajans and systematic preaching style.

However a couple of doubts do arise in my heart as I contemplate the life of Kripalu Maharaj as I read his official biography online. Krishna mentiones numerous times in the Gita the absolute need for a guru and an established sampradaya. I dont seem able to read anywhere that Kriplau Maharaj had a guru and some have told me that he is a nitya-siddha and so doesnt require a guru, something that doesnt particularly sit comfortable with me. Anyone knows more on this?

He appears to have been a contemporary of Srila Prabhupad, the founder of ISKCON at least in the 60s and 70s when Prabhupad was physically present. Anyone has heard what are Kripaluji Maharaj's opinions on Prabhupad, ISKCON and in general its root Gaudiya Vaisnava sampradaya?

Thanks
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Prabhupada in Divine Ecstasy http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1796/prabhupada-in-divine-ecstasy Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:15:09 -0400 mohit mehta 1796@/discussions
I want to se some of the photographs of Prabhupada in the Divine Maha Bhav state in which Lord Chaityana Mahaprabhu used to be...

If any body has the same, please drop me a mail at: [email]2006.Mohit@gmail.com[/email].

Thanks in advance.

Shree Radhey!]]>
Veda says that God is also the Lord of the souls http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1674/veda-says-that-god-is-also-the-lord-of-the-souls Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:14:16 -0500 sridatta1 1674@/discussions Veda says that God is also the Lord of the souls
111) Tadabhaave bhedah shrutaatmeshwara upamaane cha.


(In the absence of God, the distinction is significant. God is said to be the Lord of the souls. Even in the simile, the distinction is similar.)

The distinction between the living and non-living items becomes significant in the absence of God. The living jivaatman (jeeva and atman) controls the non-living gross body. According to the will of jeevatman the gross body moves. But, once God enters, this distinction disappears because both jeevatman and gross body become completely controlled items. Veda says that God is also the Lord of the souls (Atmeshvaram…). In the simile also, the female servants control the ornaments in the absence of king’s daughter, but once she is present, the servants are also controlled like the ornaments.

112) Tatraapi naantah paakshikam baahyamapi tadapi tasmaat.

(Even there, there is no internal control and even the external control is partial and even that is due to the will of God only.)

In ordinary human beings, the soul or jeevatman is the partial controller of the external gross body because the gross body moves according to the will of the soul. However this does not mean that the soul or Para prakriti is the absolute controller of the inert gross body or Apara prakriti. Both these are just the colleagues of the same class of creation. The soul cannot control the gross body internally since the soul cannot rectify the damaged internal systems like heart, kidneys etc. of the gross body.
The external control is just by co-operation as per the order of God. When the inert gross body is hit by another huge inert stone, the soul is unable to control the fall of the stone and is unable to live in the gross body. The soul runs away in this situation, called as death. Therefore, even the external control is partial only as per the wish of God.]]>
Even Indra was paralyzed http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1672/even-indra-was-paralyzed Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:13:15 -0500 sridatta1 1672@/discussions Even Indra was paralyzed
114) Indropi stabdho naraanaamapi darshanaat
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(Even Indra was paralyzed and such state is also seen in human beings.)


Even the nature of the self, which is the process of thinking is also under the control of God. Even the soul of Indra, the king of angels, was paralyzed by Lord Shiva in one incident. The soul of Indra could not function at all and lost its characteristic of thinking. When this is the case of Indra, the soul of a human being is nothing before the Lord. When a human being enters the state of coma, the process of thinking stops and this proves that the soul has no control even on itself.]]>
The characteristics of items are bound by the order of the G http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1671/the-characteristics-of-items-are-bound-by-the-order-of-the-g Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:10:42 -0500 sridatta1 1671@/discussions The characteristics of items are bound by the order of the God only
115) Svarupalakshanaanyapi tadaajnaavashaani.

(Even the characteristics of items are bound by the order of the God only.)

In this creation, every item has some inherent characteristic by which the item is identified. Fire is identified by heat and the water by cooling. These are the inherent characteristics of the items. But even these items and their inherent characteristics associated with these items are by the order of God only. By the will of God only, the fire is hot and water is cool. If God wishes, the fire becomes cool and the water becomes hot. Thus, the association of a particular characteristic with its corresponding specific item is only due to the will of Lord. Hence, the process of thinking, which is the inherent characteristic of soul, is also due to the will of God. If the Lord wishes a non-living item can start thinking and a living item can stop thinking like an inert item.]]>
The Atman, Jeeva and Gross body are made of the same basic i http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1669/the-atman-jeeva-and-gross-body-are-made-of-the-same-basic-i Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:09:48 -0500 sridatta1 1669@/discussions The Atman, Jeeva and Gross body are made of the same basic inert energy only
117)Kaarpaasakavaasastrayavat.

(The three bodies are like the three cotton clothes).

The Atman, Jeeva and Gross body are made of the same basic inert energy only. These are like the innermost cotton banyan, inner cotton shirt and outer cotton coat existing one above the other. These three clothes are made of the same cotton. Similarly, the three bodies are made of the same inert energy.]]>
The word tanu means all the three bodies, which are causal, http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1668/the-word-tanu-means-all-the-three-bodies-which-are-causal Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:09:21 -0500 sridatta1 1668@/discussions The word tanu means all the three bodies, which are causal, subtle and gross.
118)Ataeva jivaatmaa tanvantarhitah.

(Therefore, Jivaatman, the composite of causal and subtle bodies, is mentioned by the same word ‘tanu’.)

The word tanu means all the three bodies, which are causal, subtle and gross. Since, the distinction between living causal – subtle (Jivaatman) and non-living gross bodies disappears in the presence of God, the Jivaatman is not given separate status and is mentioned by the same word tanu itself, which not only means gross body but also Jivaatman. Therefore, in Gita, when it is said that God enters the human body (Tanu), it means not only the human gross body but also the Jivaatman existing in the gross body.]]>
Unlike the Jivaatman, God is totally different and complete http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1667/unlike-the-jivaatman-god-is-totally-different-and-complete Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:08:56 -0500 sridatta1 1667@/discussions Unlike the Jivaatman, God is totally different and complete controller
119) Purnashaasako bhinno na jivaatmavat.

(Unlike the Jivaatman, God is totally different and complete controller).

In the case of Jivaatman and gross body, both are forms of the same inert energy. In the case of God and the human body, which consists of Jivaatman and gross body together, God is totally different from the human body and Jivaatman. The human body and Jivaatman are parts of creation, where as God is creator. In the case of Jivaatman, his control over the gross body is limited, which also depends on the will of God. But in the case of God, the control of God over the entire creation is complete.]]>
Meaning of Deha and Dehi as per Gita http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1666/meaning-of-deha-and-dehi-as-per-gita Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:08:32 -0500 sridatta1 1666@/discussions Meaning of Deha and Dehi as per Gita
120) Avaantarabhedaatito jivaatmaa dehi gitah.

(If the sub-division between Atman and Jiva is overlooked, jivaatman is treated as one entity as mentioned as dehi in Gita).

In Gita only two entities are mentioned. One is the gross body (Deha) and the other is the Jivaatman (dehi), who is the composite of jiva and atman. Atman is general awareness and jiva is specific awareness. If this sub-division is neglected, both Atman and Jiva stand as one entity only, who was referred as Dehi in Gita. In that case, there are only two bodies viz the external gross body (Deha) and the internal Jivaatman (Dehi).]]>
Self awareness means Atman and here the self is the primordi http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1664/self-awareness-means-atman-and-here-the-self-is-the-primordi Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:07:38 -0500 sridatta1 1664@/discussions Self awareness means Atman and here the self is the primordial energy itself

122) Mulaprakrutiraatmaa svajnaanaavasheshe.

(Self awareness means Atman and here the self is the primordial energy itself).

Atman is said to be the self awareness. Here the word self means the basic essential form of Atman, which is the all pervading inert energy in the form of space called as primordial energy. Hence, awareness of space itself is self awareness. There is no contradiction between self awareness and awareness of space because self means space, which is the primordial energy.]]>
Veda says that the entire world is generated from space http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1663/veda-says-that-the-entire-world-is-generated-from-space Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:07:11 -0500 sridatta1 1663@/discussions Veda says that the entire world is generated from space
123) Srustisthitilayaah tata aatmani yujyante shruterapi.

(Therefore Atman is the creator, maintainer and destroyer of the universe even as per Veda).


Since Atman is the space or primordial energy, we can say that atman creates, maintains and dissolves the world. It is clearly understood that the entire universe is created, maintained and dissolved by primordial energy. Even Veda says that the entire world is generated from space (Aakaashaat vaayuh…). Since space is primordial energy and primordial energy is self, we can replace the space by the self or atman.]]>
Single defect of absence of planning, space cannot be treate http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1662/single-defect-of-absence-of-planning-space-cannot-be-treate Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:06:45 -0500 sridatta1 1662@/discussions Single defect of absence of planning, space cannot be treated as God

124) Na svayamasamkalpaat jivastu pashchaat .

(But the primordial energy itself cannot plan being inert. The awareness was not there in the beginning, which resulted in the end only in the chain of creation).

As per Veda, God created space in the beginning. From space gradually the other elements came and finally from the earth plants and from plants the awareness (purusha) is produced. Hence, you cannot bring awareness to the space before it was generated. Therefore, for this single defect of absence of planning, space cannot be treated as God.]]>
The awareness cannot exist in the beginning, since solid mat http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1661/the-awareness-cannot-exist-in-the-beginning-since-solid-mat Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:06:17 -0500 sridatta1 1661@/discussions The awareness cannot exist in the beginning, since solid matter was not created
125) Ghanapruthivipurvam ghananaadyabhaavaat na chit .

(Due to absence of solid state earth in the beginning of creation, the solid nervous system could not have existed which generated awareness).

The awareness cannot exist in the beginning, since solid matter was not created. For the awareness to be generated, a designed material called as nervous system is needed. Since, solid state of matter is generated from earth only, the existence of nervous system in the beginning of creation is impossible. Without nervous system, awareness cannot be generated. Therefore, you cannot justify the planning of creation in the beginning of creation itself. If there was no plan, such regular systematic creation could not have existed.]]>
Imaginable self existing in the human body is not the unimag http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1659/imaginable-self-existing-in-the-human-body-is-not-the-unimag Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:05:20 -0500 sridatta1 1659@/discussions Imaginable self existing in the human body is not the unimaginable God.

127) Naadyaadhaarajivaatmano bhinnam .

(This unimaginable awareness is totally different from the imaginable awareness, which depends on the functioning of nervous system).

You cannot say that the awareness present in the human body is the same awareness that existed in the beginning of creation. Both are totally different from each other. The awareness in the human body is based on the function of nervous system and is imaginable by logic. But the awareness in the beginning of creation is unimaginable due to the absence of solid human body and solid nervous system in it. Hence, you cannot say that the imaginable self existing in the human body is the unimaginable God.]]>
The awareness in the beginning of creation is the work of Go http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1658/the-awareness-in-the-beginning-of-creation-is-the-work-of-go Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:04:51 -0500 sridatta1 1658@/discussions The awareness in the beginning of creation is the work of God only

128) Kaarakajadashakterabhaavah praak.

(In the beginning of creation, there is no space or inert primordial energy, which can be treated as entity to do the special work or awareness).

The awareness is only a work and not an entity. In the human body the awareness is the work of inert energy in the functioning nervous system. Similarly, the awareness in the beginning of creation must be the work of some entity only. Such entity must be God and cannot be the inert energy, since neither inert energy nor nervous system existed before the beginning of creation of space.]]>
God is totally unimaginable http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1657/god-is-totally-unimaginable Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:04:23 -0500 sridatta1 1657@/discussions God is totally unimaginable

129) Akaashaabhaavaat khyaatarupaabhaavaat nohyam.


(In the beginning, the space did not exist and God cannot be any known form of inert energy existing in the beginning. God is totally unimaginable).


If you say that God is also the primordial energy, which is the entity to do the special work or awareness, it is ruled out, because before the creation of space the inert energy did not exist. Hence, the only possibility of the entity to do the special work or awareness must be the unimaginable God and not the imaginable inert energy. However, if you argue that such God is also unimaginable form of inert energy, your argument has no validity because all forms of inert energy are known in the world. All the known forms of inert energy like matter etc., are available in the world as introduced in the chain of creation in sequence. Then you have to say that God must be some unknown form of inert energy. Such assumption is meaningless because in such case God becomes totally unimaginable.]]>
The unimaginable God can function without nervous system http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1656/the-unimaginable-god-can-function-without-nervous-system Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:01:12 -0500 sridatta1 1656@/discussions The unimaginable God can function without nervous system
130) Naadyabhaave tasyaa api nohyamubhayatah .

(In the absence of nervous system, the inert energy can also be done away, since the unimaginable God can function without both).

Assuming that God is some unknown form of inert energy, even then, you cannot achieve success in establishing awareness because of the absence of solid state nervous system. Once the unimaginable component is introduced to do away the nervous system, the inert energy also can be done away. The unimaginable God can do the process of awareness without the requirement of inert energy as well as the nervous system.]]>
The unimaginable nature is not the characteristic of God sin http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1655/the-unimaginable-nature-is-not-the-characteristic-of-god-sin Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:00:47 -0500 sridatta1 1655@/discussions The unimaginable nature is not the characteristic of God since it disappears in the case of God
131) Anuhyataa na swarupam tasyaabhaavaat .

(The unimaginable nature is not the characteristic of God since it disappears in the case of God.)

The characteristic of any item exists for all the observers as well as for itself. Your form, the characteristic of yourself, does not change whether it is observed by others or yourself. God is unimaginable to all of us. If you say that the unimaginable nature is the characteristic of God, it should remain constant for all of us and God also. It means, God must become unimaginable not only to all of us but also to God Himself. But, it is not so. Veda says that God is understood by Himself (Brahmavit Brahmaiva…). This means that God is imaginable to Himself. If the unimaginable nature is a characteristic of God, God must be unimaginable to Himself as He is unimaginable to others. But, that is not so. Therefore the unimaginable nature of God is not a characteristic of God.]]>
The unimaginable nature is only for the identification of un http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1654/the-unimaginable-nature-is-only-for-the-identification-of-un Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:00:20 -0500 sridatta1 1654@/discussions The unimaginable nature is only for the identification of unimaginable God
132) Na svarupamudhaasutravadabhijnaanam .

(The unimaginable nature is only treated as characteristic for identification of unimaginable God like the yellow thread in the neck of a married lady standing for identification of her marriage).

Since no characteristic of God is known, God is treated as unimaginable. This very aspect of God helps us to detect His existence in a specific medium. Since this aspect of unimaginable nature helps us to detect His existence, it can be treated as an aspect equivalent to the characteristic though it need not be the real characteristic. The yellow thread of a married lady is never removed and hence can act as the identifying mark to be treated as a characteristic. But, this does not mean that the yellow thread itself is a part and parcel of her body like her leg or hand, which is the real characteristic. Hence, the inseparable mark of identification need not be a real characteristic.]]>
The unimaginable God must be imaginable to Himself at least http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1653/the-unimaginable-god-must-be-imaginable-to-himself-at-least Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:59:50 -0500 sridatta1 1653@/discussions The unimaginable God must be imaginable to Himself at least
132) Karturapi jnanabhagavat taduhyam svasya sattaayai .

(At least the author should know the unknown subject. Similarly, the unimaginable God must be imaginable to Himself at least so that the existence of any unknown item becomes valid).

At least one should know the unknown entity, if it has to exist. If it is unknown to every one, such entity does not exist at all. When you say that an unknown subject exists, it means that all most all do not know it except one or two persons. If no body knows the subject including the author, it means such subject does not exist at all. Therefore, the unimaginable God must be imaginable to Himself at least so that the existence of unimaginable God becomes valid.]]>
God is not the all pervading inert space http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1652/god-is-not-the-all-pervading-inert-space Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:59:20 -0500 sridatta1 1652@/discussions God is not the all pervading inert space
133) Na vyaapakajadaakaashah sopaadhirathavaa .

(God is not the all pervading inert space. If God is pervading the space, He is only mediated God and not original God).

Some say that God is all-pervading like the all-pervading space. There is only one space which is all pervading as is witnessed by us. The all pervading God is not separately witnessed. In such case there are two possibilities. One is to call the space itself as God. This possibility is ruled out because the inert space cannot plan the systematic design of creation. The second possibility is that God must be hidden in the space so that God is also all-pervading. If you take the second possibility, the all pervading space pervaded by God is a mediated God only and not the original God. The space is the medium in to which the God entered. In such case one cannot claim that all pervading God is the original God.]]>
There is no difference between all pervading God & human http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1651/there-is-no-difference-between-all-pervading-god-human Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:58:52 -0500 sridatta1 1651@/discussions There is no difference between all pervading God & human incarnation
134) Tadabhedaat dehatrayasya naraavataaramatam .

(The three sub-divisions of human body are also primordial energy. There is no difference between such all pervading God and human incarnation).

The all pervading God is established as God pervading all over the space or primordial energy. The human body, which is a composite of causal, subtle and gross bodies, is also primordial energy in essence. Matter is condensed inert energy and awareness is special work of inert energy. In such case what is the difference between the all pervading God and the human incarnation, which is the human body pervaded by God? Both are mediated God only and not direct unimaginable God.]]>
By ignorance one may think that blank space is beyond creati http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1650/by-ignorance-one-may-think-that-blank-space-is-beyond-creati Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:58:23 -0500 sridatta1 1650@/discussions By ignorance one may think that blank space is beyond creation
135) Ajnaanaat atitam mulaakaashaatitamasaadhyam .

(By ignorance one may think that blank space is beyond creation, but it is impossible to cross the space for anybody).

On analysis, it is found that the all pervading God is also mediated and not original God. In the absence of analysis, you will assume that all pervading God is original and non-mediated God. Such assumption is due to ignorance only. It is impossible to imagine the unimaginable God. Even if you leave every thing and make your mind blank and empty, still your mind is thinking the empty space only, which is the basic primordial energy. By ignorance, you are thinking that you have surpassed all the creation and that you are thinking about the original God, who is beyond the creation. If you analyze, your mind cannot cross the ultimate space or primordial energy. You have not crossed the creation, but you have reached the ultimate plane of the creation, which is space or Mula Maya.]]>
One may cross everything but cannot cross the ultimate space http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1649/one-may-cross-everything-but-cannot-cross-the-ultimate-space Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:57:55 -0500 sridatta1 1649@/discussions One may cross everything but cannot cross the ultimate space in the process of thinking

136) Aakaashatyaagaasambhavaat sarvasyaapi chiti dhyaatuh.


(One may cross everything but cannot cross the ultimate space in the process of thinking as long as the awareness exists even in the ultimate state of meditation).

By ignorance one thinks that he has left everything by not imagining anything in the world. In such state also, the person is thinking about the empty space, which is the first item of the creation. Hence, it is not possible to think crossing the entire creation as long as the awareness exists. In the meditation, one claims that he is concentrated on the self, by leaving every aspect of the world.

But on analysis, you will find that in such state of meditation also, your awareness did not cross the creation, since your blank mind means that it is thinking about the vacuum, which is the space or primordial energy that is the first item of creation. You are thinking that your mind has gone beyond the creation but actually it is not so. The reason is that your mind can never go beyond the spatial dimensions and touch the unimaginable God, who is beyond space.]]>
Deep sleep is not the awareness of God http://krishnatalk.com/discussion/1648/deep-sleep-is-not-the-awareness-of-god Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:57:25 -0500 sridatta1 1648@/discussions Deep sleep is not the awareness of God
137) Jaagratsvapnadhaayanachit na sarvaabhaavasushuptih .

(The awareness exists in the states of awakening, dream and meditation. In deep sleep the awareness is totally lost and this is not awareness of God).

In the state of meditation the awareness of space exists. In the state of awakening the awareness of the other worldly objects exists. In the state of dream, the awareness of the objects created by mind exists. Only in the state of deep sleep the awareness totally disappears and the awareness of everything is absent. But this does not mean the awareness of God, since here awareness does not exist at all, awareness of God is impossible. When God is aware of Himself, the awareness of God exists and such state cannot be equated to deep sleep where awareness of every thing including God is lost. The totally unknown state of deep sleep indicates the totally unknown state of God and this does not mean the knowledge of God. If some teacher says to a student that he should forget everything and remember the lesson only, this does not mean that the student should go into deep sleep to forget everything including the lesson!]]>