Suffering should disappear if people repent completely, but
  • sridatta1 January 2008
    Suffering should disappear if people repent completely, but in all cases we are not seeing it?
    Jesus told that I will pardon all your sins if you have changed why? What is the aim of the punishment, it is only reformation. Why God is punishing, is it for revenge? Certainly God will not punish for revenge. Punishment given by God is only for the transformation of the soul. If the soul repents and the soul is transformed, what is the need of punishment again? No need. But in some cases we are not seeing the abrupt stoppage of suffering why?

    This is because, you are certifying your repentance and change, but God has to certify your repentance and change. Some times you might have changed only 60%, 50% or 40%. You may be thinking it is 100%. You may think that you have repented and changed fully. But some other new circumstances you may repeat the sin. So certificate is to be given by God, He has to examine and He has be to convinced that you have transformed completely. Once God get convinced that the soul has got completely transformed them certainly the miseries will disappear. Even if one gets such state, he will become the liberated soul. He has got liberation from all miseries and all the karmas. But a liberated soul cannot keep silent. He has to enter the world to serve the mission of God and He is almost having the same state of God and God want to entertain Himself and in entertainment He also wants misery. In that case He gets misery but not attached by misery. He enjoys the misery. That is totally different.
  • I believe we can rduce our own suffering, but not elliminate it.
    In order to address & challenge the issues of today(Global Warming,etc),
    we need to take risks and gamble with our own karmic merit.
    Before the terrorist attacks on 911 and the unfolding off the truly perilous state of the environment, I was mainly focussed on my own karma.
    As a man of conscious I feel compelled to do whatever I can to help.
    Hari Om Tat Sat
    Om Shanti
    Shanti Shanti Shanti
  • sridatta1 March 2008

    chipoffhteoldblock:

    I believe we can rduce our own suffering, but not elliminate it.
    In order to address & challenge the issues of today(Global Warming,etc),
    we need to take risks and gamble with our own karmic merit.
    Before the terrorist attacks on 911 and the unfolding off the truly perilous state of the environment, I was mainly focussed on my own karma.
    As a man of conscious I feel compelled to do whatever I can to help.
    Hari Om Tat Sat
    Om Shanti
    Shanti Shanti Shanti


    Solution for your Worldly Problems
    My message to all the people who suffer with worldly problems (Pravritti) is: First stop suffering. Suffering is a feeling. The feeling is a wave of awareness-energy. If the water is removed along with the kinetic energy, the wave is unreal. Even if you feel that you are this gross body (matter and inert energy), the wave or feeling is unreal. Actually you are a lump of awareness, which has only one characteristic property that it is aware of itself (chit or soul). Its wave is a feeling. The lump of awareness is associated with some kinetic energy, which becomes the feeling. Separate the kinetic energy (mentally) and let the kinetic energy be added to the inert energy-lot of the gross body. The wave disappears and only a lump of awareness remains, which is the soul or yourself. Similarly, apply the same analysis to attraction, because attraction is also a feeling, suppose you are attracted to a quality. Quality is also a feeling. Suppose you are attracted to a form in the world like the beautiful form of a boy or girl. Every form in the world becomes unreal if you remove all material (matter and inert energy) from it. When beauty is unreal, quality is unreal, attraction is unreal and suffering is also unreal, then why are you disturbed?
    Similarly, hatred is also a feeling and is unreal. I have suffered with worldly problems, thousand times more than anyone in this world. When I explained those problems, My devotees wept. There are two ways to avoid the disturbance [worldly problems]. Either become immune to the problems by the above analysis (Pravritti) or enjoy the tragedy as you enjoy the same in seeing a movie or as you enjoy hot dishes in taking meals. This is the state of God enjoying this creation (Nivritti). The first way is ‘Atma Yoga’ which gives you undisturbed peace. The second way is ‘Paramatma Yoga’, which gives you the bliss through entertainment of both pleasant and unpleasant situations. I preferred the second way. Choose one of these two ways and avoid the disturbance which causes mental stress leading to the damage of your health and finally results in total destruction.

    Therefore, first stop suffering and avoid the disturbance either by self-attainment or by attainment of God. Now you are balanced and energetic to solve the problem. Try to advise other souls in the interest of their welfare and try to remove their ignorance by spiritual knowledge. If they are rigid, leave them and make some alternative arrangements owing to certain basic inevitable necessity. But in any case, do not have blind love for any soul. Love is always blind but blind love should be only for God and not for other souls. Other souls love you for their selves as long as you give happiness to them (Atmanah Kamaya—Veda). Moreover, love, which is a quality for an unreal design of matter in the world like money or beauty, itself is unreal. The mud is truth. The binding energy, which is negligible before the mud, is almost unreal and is called as Mithya. Attraction to the truth [real item] or atleast to Mithya [real but negligible] is meaningful. The design of the pot is completely unreal even during the existence of pot.

    Similar is the case with your attraction, which is totally unreal like the design in the pot. In Atma Yoga (Pravritti), rise above good and bad by analysis (Buddhiyukto—Gita). Thus good and bad are only conventional in Pravritti because what is sin in one religion is good in another religion. In Nivritti, the good and bad are true not by their [intrinsic nature] criterion, but they exist based on some other reason. Whatever God likes is good and whatever God does not like is a sin. Thus there is a basis of the concept of sin in Nivritti i.e. “God does not like this”. Otherwise both good and bad qualities are only feelings, which are designs of awareness and are totally unreal. Therefore good or bad is not valid by its own nature, because they are unreal. So one should avoid sins based on the reason that sins are disliked by God. Otherwise, sin is a totally unreal feeling. Therefore, ethics are also based only on God.

    When the sinner is beaten in hell, the servants of Lord Yama will be shouting at the sinner by saying “Why you have done that deed which is not liked by God”? They will not say “Why you have done that sin?” Therefore, the concept of sin is only that which is disliked by God. The list of the items disliked by God is given through scriptures like Dharma Shastras of Manu. Therefore, you should not do the sins mentioned in scriptures because they are disliked by God. Otherwise a sin (bad quality) or a good quality is just an unreal feeling and has no value by itself.
  • Namaste
    Thank you for your precious time sridatta1.
    I have been trapped in samsara suffering with the three poisons of ignorance,attachment and aggression as you rightly point out.
    Excuse my use of Buddhist terms, however, I must credit Buddhism with helping me regain my balance after years of turmoil in my life.
    I have been using Buddhist pragmatism blended with yogic insight and Bhakti yoga to remind me of where I fit in.
    We all have our stories to tell, empathy will suffice for now.
    I am sure you are well aware of the difficulties we as spiritual seekers face. Please excuse my personalisation of posts and I hope to improve my input and be less of a distraction to your devotion. :?