The Rtvik Conclusion - the article
  • May 2004
    The Rtvik school-of-thought came into existence as the result of
    careful study, by a number of devotees, of certain letters and
    recorded conversations of Srila Prabhupada's arrangements for ISKCON
    initiations to continue without requiring his actual physical
    presence.

    These arrangements slightly expanded on, and clarified the process
    as it was already being conducted at the time of the associated
    conversations and letters, and are in complete accord with his
    instructions on the subject throughout the body of his writings.

    The Ritvik conclusion is that the initiation process Srila
    Prabhupada established should continue unchanged - even after his
    disappearance from our material vision - based on those well-
    documented arrangements.

    It is the Rtvik belief that Srila Prabhupada continues to directly
    accept disciples through the intercession of Rtvik priests.


    This conclusion is very controversial because it appears to be a
    philosophical departure from the lineage's process of initiation.
    Yet Srila Prabhupada is known for his merciful liberality in
    propagating the world-wide Krishna Consciousness movement.

    It is admitted by everyone, including those who disagree with the
    Rtvik proposition, that he made numerous significant changes to
    historically-accepted policies, in favor of his devotees' spiritual
    well-being and success.

    For an increasing number of devotees, Rtvik initiation may offer a
    potentially valid means of diksa, as a qualified Rtvik initiator
    does not intend, or claim, to be the recipient's spiritual master -
    nor even the actual initiator.

    A qualified Rtvik initiator is best-described as an initiated
    disciple of Srila Prabhupada, who fully understands, and openly
    expresses oneself to be merely the physically-present "conduit" of
    the transcendental mystery of diksa.

    Such a person humbly admits that it is Srila Prabhupada who actually
    initiates and accepts the qualified student as his own worshipful
    disciple thus becoming their eternal spiritual master.

    Also, there are no subsequent extraordinary spiritual and karma-
    ameliorating connections between the Rtvik initiator and the person
    receiving initiation. These "guru-disciple" ties are eternally bound
    between Srila Prabhupada, as spiritual master, and the reciptient,
    as his disciple.

    A Rtvik initiator must, of course, be well-versed in Krishna
    Conscious philosophy as revealed by Srila Prabhupada, and living in
    a manner which consistantly demonstrates an honest, successful
    effort to abide by Srila Prabhupada's perfect instructions.

    It is the Rtvik initiator's duty to remain absolutely free of even
    the barest hint of envy, greed or egoism as they act in behalf of
    Srila Prabhupada before, during and after passing an initiation.
    Such weaknesses can materially taint the initiatory process itself,
    and limit the potential spiritual progress of the recipient.

    Naturally, a Rtvik, as any other sincere devotee, may be accepted as
    a siksa guru - as long as they are presenting Krsna Consciousness as
    it is.

    Being a "qualified student" includes having carefully studied Krsna
    Consciousness as revealed by Srila Prabhupada, accepting and
    sincerely attempting to follow his instructions, understanding
    oneself to be a presently temporarily-embodied eternal spirit-soul
    servant of Lord Krishna, and unconditionally accepting Srila
    Prabhupada as their spiritual master forever. It is also the
    student's duty to carefully choose an appropriate Rtvik initiator,
    so as to ensure receiving an untainted initiation.

    Hare Krishna.


    (offered to the good devotees by Krsnadasa dasa & Rukmini-Devi dasi)

    Please visit At The Center: an association for gentle, non-fanatical Rtvik devotees:
    http://ATC108.tripod.com/
  • June 2004

    Krsnadasa-dasa:

    The Rtvik school-of-thought came into existence as the result of
    careful study, by a number of devotees, of certain letters and
    recorded conversations of Srila Prabhupada's arrangements for ISKCON
    initiations to continue without requiring his actual physical
    presence.

    These arrangements slightly expanded on, and clarified the process
    as it was already being conducted at the time of the associated
    conversations and letters, and are in complete accord with his
    instructions on the subject throughout the body of his writings.

    The Ritvik conclusion is that the initiation process Srila
    Prabhupada established should continue unchanged - even after his
    disappearance from our material vision - based on those well-
    documented arrangements.

    It is the Rtvik belief that Srila Prabhupada continues to directly
    accept disciples through the intercession of Rtvik priests.


    This conclusion is very controversial because it appears to be a
    philosophical departure from the lineage's process of initiation.
    Yet Srila Prabhupada is known for his merciful liberality in
    propagating the world-wide Krishna Consciousness movement.

    It is admitted by everyone, including those who disagree with the
    Rtvik proposition, that he made numerous significant changes to
    historically-accepted policies, in favor of his devotees' spiritual
    well-being and success.

    For an increasing number of devotees, Rtvik initiation may offer a
    potentially valid means of diksa, as a qualified Rtvik initiator
    does not intend, or claim, to be the recipient's spiritual master -
    nor even the actual initiator.

    A qualified Rtvik initiator is best-described as an initiated
    disciple of Srila Prabhupada, who fully understands, and openly
    expresses oneself to be merely the physically-present "conduit" of
    the transcendental mystery of diksa.

    Such a person humbly admits that it is Srila Prabhupada who actually
    initiates and accepts the qualified student as his own worshipful
    disciple thus becoming their eternal spiritual master.

    Also, there are no subsequent extraordinary spiritual and karma-
    ameliorating connections between the Rtvik initiator and the person
    receiving initiation. These "guru-disciple" ties are eternally bound
    between Srila Prabhupada, as spiritual master, and the reciptient,
    as his disciple.

    A Rtvik initiator must, of course, be well-versed in Krishna
    Conscious philosophy as revealed by Srila Prabhupada, and living in
    a manner which consistantly demonstrates an honest, successful
    effort to abide by Srila Prabhupada's perfect instructions.

    It is the Rtvik initiator's duty to remain absolutely free of even
    the barest hint of envy, greed or egoism as they act in behalf of
    Srila Prabhupada before, during and after passing an initiation.
    Such weaknesses can materially taint the initiatory process itself,
    and limit the potential spiritual progress of the recipient.

    Naturally, a Rtvik, as any other sincere devotee, may be accepted as
    a siksa guru - as long as they are presenting Krsna Consciousness as
    it is.

    Being a "qualified student" includes having carefully studied Krsna
    Consciousness as revealed by Srila Prabhupada, accepting and
    sincerely attempting to follow his instructions, understanding
    oneself to be a presently temporarily-embodied eternal spirit-soul
    servant of Lord Krishna, and unconditionally accepting Srila
    Prabhupada as their spiritual master forever. It is also the
    student's duty to carefully choose an appropriate Rtvik initiator,
    so as to ensure receiving an untainted initiation.

    Hare Krishna.


    (offered to the good devotees by Krsnadasa dasa & Rukmini-Devi dasi)

    Please visit At The Center: an association for gentle, non-fanatical Rtvik devotees:
    http://ATC108.tripod.com/
    :shock: so can you name anyone in the disciplic line who was not initiated by a living guru :?: :roll: and when did Srila Prabhupada teach anyone that they should find theselves a rivik initiator, I believe he instructed us to find a GURU, you are definitely mad trying to impose this utter garbage on sincere devotees, YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO THE MEMORY OF HIS DIVINE GRACE. What a bunch of imposters you are, to come inhere with your perverted ignorance :oops:
  • June 2004
    You can stop spewing your poison. He deleted this link from his computer weeks ago remembering number nine of the ten offenses.
  • June 2004

    Rukmini-Devi dasi:

    You can stop spewing your poison. He deleted this link from his computer weeks ago remembering number nine of the ten offenses.
    :lol: Its a pity you do not remember number nine.but then this is typical of ritviks ,post and run :lol:
  • June 2004
    If you will do your homework you will see that there has been no posting and running.

    Are you telling me that I need to follow offense number nine in dealing with you? Thank you for your honesty and for letting me know. It is now in effect.

    Just a word of advice first however, put the dasa back on the end of your name. You are forgetting something very important and perhaps that will remind you.




    Aryasiddhanta Prabhu:

    [quote=Rukmini-Devi dasi]You can stop spewing your poison. He deleted this link from his computer weeks ago remembering number nine of the ten offenses.
    :lol: Its a pity you do not remember number nine.but then this is typical of ritviks ,post and run :lol:[/quote]